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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.05 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Bellum Eternus on 05/11/2008 18:29:20 Yeah, I know we'll probably 'hear more about it at fan fest', but I'm bored and want to speculate for no good reason.
Even though this patch is delivering some pretty far reaching and epic game play changes (hell, it's fundamentally turning the way we fight in Eve upside down and backwards in a lot of respects), the overall response that I'm seeing so far is 'meh, it's okay I guess'.
Not a lot of people are really excited about the upcoming changes. At least that's the feeling I'm getting from reading the forums and talking to random people in game. A lot of replies to the dev blogs and announcements have been 'where's the content?' and so on. As annoyed as I am with the impact the changes are having to blaster ships in general, I have to say it: give CCP a break people. They're putting together some pretty drastic changes all in one patch.
How the changes on SISI will impact TQ is anyone's guess. The speed changes, missile damage formula changes, web change and the 2 point scram deactivating MWDs in combination with each other is an extremely complex group of factors. I think we'll be surprised at what evolves as players begin to experiment with how to make the best of the new situation.
Now that the patch is almost here, and looks to be fairly solidified with respect to it's final state, with all the little surprise changes finally in and working, I'd like to start a discussion (friendly, please) about what everyone thinks the new face of PVP will look like, from 1v1 to fleet fights, empire wars to piracy in low sec to 0.0 POS warfare and everything in between.
Let's discuss how the changes are going to affect combat between the different ship classes, different gang sizes, different races and the various combat environments.
I'll try and get things started:
Do you think that CCPs effort to reduce large ship firepower vs. smaller targets their way of trying to entice players to use smaller ships for more 'hit and run' / guerilla warfare style combat?
What about the damage buff to T2 Fury ammunition? Since it has a larger explosion radius, it's best used against ships with (very) large signature radii (BCs, BS). Will the increased damage output help smaller ships against BS enough to make a difference?
Please try and keep it civil. Let's not drag personal epeen waving into the thread. Try and keep it focused on the general game changes. Thanks in advance.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.05 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Frankinator Bellum, no offense m8, I respect your opinion and value it, but god you whine a lot
All Im going to say is that I have no problem fighting off smaller ships in my Golem on Sisi, just requires Javelin torps. On that note, I dont really have problems fighting anything except snipers and the occasional Autocannon Tempest who knows what hes doing...
How do you interpret the above as whining? FFS I'm trying to be constructive here.
I was simply posing the idea that CCP is trying to change the balance of DPS transfer between small and large ships so that smaller stuff will be more included in PVP.
Let's keep the discussion how how everyone feels the changes will affect the basic aspects of PVP instead of whether or not they will affect any of us personally.
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2008.11.05 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Good post, slightly undermined by sig...
-ehem- ...hehehe
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2008.11.05 19:44:00 -
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One thing that I'm finding kind of interesting is how the changes will affect the market prices of items. Sure, there's been wild speculation in the mineral markets, because the people that are into that sort of thing keep a very close eye on all of that sort of stuff.
But other items, like webs and MWDs are still fairly stagnant when it comes to market prices, even a week before the patch. I'm wondering how long it'll take to proliferate, and what changes will occur with respect to the pricing of modules and their overall sales volume in the next few weeks.
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2008.11.05 20:00:00 -
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@ Branko-
What I was talking about regarding the MWD prices and web prices was the juggling of prices with the new 'best' modules going up and some of the others going down.
And with the MWDs- T2 losing it's pricing compared to best named, as they no longer have a speed advantage, and still have a high fitting cost. The difference in cap improvement is negligible for most BS uses, and while it may be a little more important for frigs, frigs also have the most sensitivity to fitting.
Weird tangent: I wonder how the improved cap will affect ships like the Crusader vs. other interceptors, since they're all going to be fairly close in top speed, and the Crusader is always very sketchy with it's cap?
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2008.11.06 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: ramification Instead of a nerf, look at it as a buff for other ammo types, which may have suddenly become useful (for races other than Minmatar, for whom they were already useful). The fact that CCP included many different ammo types only for people to use just one or two of each race was one of the many factors which suggested the need for changes IMHO.
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2008.11.06 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: ramification Edited by: ramification on 06/11/2008 12:02:16
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
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noob.
If people keep using only one kind of ammo (and they do), I can keep figuring out how best to counter it in advance.
I'm glad you're okay with that.
Winning fights, particularly with a blaster ship, is about 10/10ths efficiency. Remove that and you lose.
If you have to use ammo that doesn't allow for this, then you don't switch ammo, you switch ships and stop using blasters.
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Bellum Eternus
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Posted - 2008.11.06 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's I must say Bellum, that post made me laugh out loud here. Just glad I didn't have a mouth full of coffee at the time.
I've scotch guarded my LCD for that very reason.
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